What would be great is if fat people could be defined by themselves, on their own terms. Ditto fatness being defined on its terms.
Whether it's fatuous phobes who insist on comparing being fat with smoking, drinking, drugging or some fat activists who crib civil rights movements or 'obesity', folklore, rather than look at fat people and talk about them.
Fatness needs to stop being like an abandoned object always projected on. This needs to be for all of us.
Sunday, 8 June 2014
Not a golden age of stoicism-thank goodness
Had to chuckle. Researchers are touting the prospect of a fat wasting jab (don't mind the idiot headline) containing a hormone called irisin. This supposedly has the capacity to convert white adipose cells/tissue into brown adipose.
Brown adipose wastes rather than stores energy like white stuff. Whether this is "jab" is likely to happen any time soon, isn't really in question. As predictably, it has pissed off your common or garden hare-brained fat hating too. Who doesn't have the presence of mind to attempt some half arsed concern trolling.
One even forgot themselves enough to declare;
I knew these wing nuts were regressive hate fuelled dolts who want human progress to stop. They want everything to be a reflection of their own tainted souls.
Even from my dieting days, there's not and never has been any reason for weight loss to not be effective, efficient, available to anyone that wants it and to be pain/discomfort free. That's no more immoral than learning eating competence or to defend, nurture or restore you're instincts to move.
Even if it was, the fact that it upsets the right people would decide it for me anyway. Fuggem. That they would rather stop progress for even those suffering through what they'd agree is no fault of their own, to keep hating, makes them lower than dirt.
Most of these jokers would struggle to make their ahem 'argument' against everything from the equine strength pain pills for headaches, to the convenience of "psyche meds" being thrown around save the ardous effort of changing the way you think/feel/react.
And no, that's not rude/ ableist of me. That's CBT.
Nor do I personally object to how others choose to manage their mental health. Just, when there's preaching to fat people about gritting their teeth-where it would make little difference, when others can't be arsed to do shit, that's a conversation they need to be having with themselves. So, rumbled.
Certainly, if any of these dimwit arseholes dared to suggest anyone should be kept from mind alteration on the basis of mild aches and pains, they'd be quite a backlash. The privileging of slimz and all that.
Few in western model countries can lecture fat people about stoicism with expecting to put up with the most minimal discomfort went out with the ark for them. They probably only fetishize it in "fitness" precisely because they've squeezed out elsewhere. It's like one of those rough adventure holidays middle class people go on.
Well for a lot of fat people, continuous mental, physical, social, spiritual and psychological discomfort is their life. People not knowing about that for so long, was fat people grinning and bearing it. Take a look at the good that did.
That's why you truly won't find me gainsaying folks feeling entitled to relief for their own discomfort. My concerns lie elsewhere.
One person recently wrote. He, "Didn't believe in any unnecessary pain."Aww, that's precious. Certainly these shut it. Thin privilege doesn't make people invisible. We can see you!!!
There is nothing moral about trying and failing to impersonate a starvation disorder, nothing. It's actually a disgusting waste of people's effort, time, lives and yes, health. The whole 'obesity' crusade has been a degenerate exercise in thought regression that has generated nothing of any value from the professionals. And this kind response is exactly the kind of degeneracy it promotes.
Its clear the pro-ana approach is about satisfying the deranged emotional needs of these messed up muppets. Well, they've been hoist with their own hard, there's nowhere left to go with their imposing their cravings. Unless they want to make being fat illegal and lock people up for it. I know many hypocrites who'd love that.
They'll pop a few synthetic opiates for any conscience pangs no doubt.
Brown adipose wastes rather than stores energy like white stuff. Whether this is "jab" is likely to happen any time soon, isn't really in question. As predictably, it has pissed off your common or garden hare-brained fat hating too. Who doesn't have the presence of mind to attempt some half arsed concern trolling.
One even forgot themselves enough to declare;
No; enough of this research and trials. Tell them to exercise, this is so silly.Yeah, let's crawl back to the good old Stone Age you intellectual void. The prospect of better treatment for diabetes, PCOS and other metabolic travails is such a joke, scientific progress, stupid ain't it? Urgh.
I knew these wing nuts were regressive hate fuelled dolts who want human progress to stop. They want everything to be a reflection of their own tainted souls.
Even from my dieting days, there's not and never has been any reason for weight loss to not be effective, efficient, available to anyone that wants it and to be pain/discomfort free. That's no more immoral than learning eating competence or to defend, nurture or restore you're instincts to move.
Even if it was, the fact that it upsets the right people would decide it for me anyway. Fuggem. That they would rather stop progress for even those suffering through what they'd agree is no fault of their own, to keep hating, makes them lower than dirt.
Most of these jokers would struggle to make their ahem 'argument' against everything from the equine strength pain pills for headaches, to the convenience of "psyche meds" being thrown around save the ardous effort of changing the way you think/feel/react.
And no, that's not rude/ ableist of me. That's CBT.
Nor do I personally object to how others choose to manage their mental health. Just, when there's preaching to fat people about gritting their teeth-where it would make little difference, when others can't be arsed to do shit, that's a conversation they need to be having with themselves. So, rumbled.
Certainly, if any of these dimwit arseholes dared to suggest anyone should be kept from mind alteration on the basis of mild aches and pains, they'd be quite a backlash. The privileging of slimz and all that.
Few in western model countries can lecture fat people about stoicism with expecting to put up with the most minimal discomfort went out with the ark for them. They probably only fetishize it in "fitness" precisely because they've squeezed out elsewhere. It's like one of those rough adventure holidays middle class people go on.
Well for a lot of fat people, continuous mental, physical, social, spiritual and psychological discomfort is their life. People not knowing about that for so long, was fat people grinning and bearing it. Take a look at the good that did.
That's why you truly won't find me gainsaying folks feeling entitled to relief for their own discomfort. My concerns lie elsewhere.
One person recently wrote. He, "Didn't believe in any unnecessary pain."Aww, that's precious. Certainly these shut it. Thin privilege doesn't make people invisible. We can see you!!!
There is nothing moral about trying and failing to impersonate a starvation disorder, nothing. It's actually a disgusting waste of people's effort, time, lives and yes, health. The whole 'obesity' crusade has been a degenerate exercise in thought regression that has generated nothing of any value from the professionals. And this kind response is exactly the kind of degeneracy it promotes.
Its clear the pro-ana approach is about satisfying the deranged emotional needs of these messed up muppets. Well, they've been hoist with their own hard, there's nowhere left to go with their imposing their cravings. Unless they want to make being fat illegal and lock people up for it. I know many hypocrites who'd love that.
They'll pop a few synthetic opiates for any conscience pangs no doubt.
Saturday, 7 June 2014
The Real Fat Police
Just a quick mention of this story of a couple who've been detained by police under "suspicion of neglect and child cruelty."
Their son's 11 years old, weighs 15 stones/ 210lbs/ 95.2 kg and has a BMI of 41.9. Now, I do not know whether there is more to this story than meets the eye. He's already known to social services, apparently for this same reason.
If this is case is prima facie then it exposes yet again the cost of 'obesity' lies and who's actually paying for them. Framing weight as fully under the control of the parents is a dirty trick unworthy of a profession people trust with their lives. It leaves people guilty as charged and under pressure.
The problem seems to be no weight los/ceasing of weight gains. But that should have been the duty of "obesity medicine" [sic]. It hasn't bothered so cannot promise. It's failed to formulate that as a worthwhile goal and tackle it, too busy indulging its slimmer of the year level yearnings.
It's almost beyond comprehension that anyone could turn metabolic function into a legal tussle, the incompetence is mind-boggling. Especially when you consider the lengths social services can go to keep children with those committing all sorts of genuine damage to their children, in the name of keeping families together.
If you're wondering how the parents ended up in custody, they went voluntarily. I wonder if that's why genuine abuse is harder to stop, lack of co-operation from the parents. This level of aggression towards fatness is out of control and shows the spread of the 'obesity' echo chamber in certain quarters. I also suspect that its an easy target. There's an element of show.
I hope someone gets sued. I'm wondering whether this impinges on article 8.
Whilst it may be possible to check weight in some way through the imposition of diets and exercise on children. It should never have been relied on to the expense of any other possible approaches. Nor should any pretense that it can be taken for granted be a basis of judgement. If that was the case, 'obesity medicine' would routinely be managing it and this detaining would be unnecessary.
It's this policy of at the exclusion of all else, plus the punitive atmosphere that has led here, not the parents ability. If this had been done with other areas of well-being and health, the jails would be full of parents. There's barely one parent who can claim confidently not to have one area that could be seen as not living up to the high standards of social services.
Feeding your children is not and never has been an exact science and no one should expect it to become so just because capricious authority deems it the route it flex its might.
There should be a system in place to help weight outliers such as this boy achieve his full potential. Something like an out patient clinic, where there's access to physio, as well as nutritional advice. A check on his emotional state, helping him manage it if necessary to help keep him mentally robust. He needs to be in this atmosphere.
If he feels bad about himself or is being teased a lot, then that may add a significant problem, whether he has an issue with his hunger/appetite or not.
From what his parents seem to have said, they're positive and accepting of him and they should be congratulated for that. It's not easy to resist such a fat phobic surround.
How wrong was that?!
And bracketing fatness thus;
Their son's 11 years old, weighs 15 stones/ 210lbs/ 95.2 kg and has a BMI of 41.9. Now, I do not know whether there is more to this story than meets the eye. He's already known to social services, apparently for this same reason.
If this is case is prima facie then it exposes yet again the cost of 'obesity' lies and who's actually paying for them. Framing weight as fully under the control of the parents is a dirty trick unworthy of a profession people trust with their lives. It leaves people guilty as charged and under pressure.
The problem seems to be no weight los/ceasing of weight gains. But that should have been the duty of "obesity medicine" [sic]. It hasn't bothered so cannot promise. It's failed to formulate that as a worthwhile goal and tackle it, too busy indulging its slimmer of the year level yearnings.
It's almost beyond comprehension that anyone could turn metabolic function into a legal tussle, the incompetence is mind-boggling. Especially when you consider the lengths social services can go to keep children with those committing all sorts of genuine damage to their children, in the name of keeping families together.
If you're wondering how the parents ended up in custody, they went voluntarily. I wonder if that's why genuine abuse is harder to stop, lack of co-operation from the parents. This level of aggression towards fatness is out of control and shows the spread of the 'obesity' echo chamber in certain quarters. I also suspect that its an easy target. There's an element of show.
I hope someone gets sued. I'm wondering whether this impinges on article 8.
Whilst it may be possible to check weight in some way through the imposition of diets and exercise on children. It should never have been relied on to the expense of any other possible approaches. Nor should any pretense that it can be taken for granted be a basis of judgement. If that was the case, 'obesity medicine' would routinely be managing it and this detaining would be unnecessary.
It's this policy of at the exclusion of all else, plus the punitive atmosphere that has led here, not the parents ability. If this had been done with other areas of well-being and health, the jails would be full of parents. There's barely one parent who can claim confidently not to have one area that could be seen as not living up to the high standards of social services.
Feeding your children is not and never has been an exact science and no one should expect it to become so just because capricious authority deems it the route it flex its might.
There should be a system in place to help weight outliers such as this boy achieve his full potential. Something like an out patient clinic, where there's access to physio, as well as nutritional advice. A check on his emotional state, helping him manage it if necessary to help keep him mentally robust. He needs to be in this atmosphere.
If he feels bad about himself or is being teased a lot, then that may add a significant problem, whether he has an issue with his hunger/appetite or not.
From what his parents seem to have said, they're positive and accepting of him and they should be congratulated for that. It's not easy to resist such a fat phobic surround.
“Any action taken by any agency will be subject to a joint strategy between all partner agencies and will always be taken with the welfare of the child and their protection from harm as paramount.If that was in any way the case, the crusade you are involving yourself in, would not have had setting people up to fail as its main concern. The welfare of children has stopped none of this. Indeed, one of the main reasons why I never thought things would get anywhere near this bad, is that people wouldn't want to hurt children.
How wrong was that?!
And bracketing fatness thus;
A force spokesman said officers from the child abuse investigation unit worked closely with health and social services to deal with “sensitive issues such as obesity and neglect of a child.Has gone beyond reason.
Friday, 6 June 2014
Fatphobia is internalized
One of the many tiresome aspects of the fat acceptance movement, is it's own inherent fat phobia and privileging of slimz. Well actually, the denial of this and refusal to deal with it. Made easier by the virulence of fat haters in comparison, plus the endless cries of radicalism, which essentially has the same root.
Whatever slim people do or are sets the standard by which everything must be judged. There's no such thing as a slim people's mindless, stupid, hysteria and wickedness for the pleasure of it, naw, its, excuses, excuses.
Let's call it learned fat phobia if that helps spare feelings.
It's like the misogyny of women. Which is there in feminism too, having been brutally exposed by race, class as well as fatness.
I honestly didn't know this self-knowledge could be in any way insulting.
In the past, activists for real civil rights grasped that having grown up in a racist/sexist etc., society nay world they two would be replete with internalized racism/sexism etc., It's virtually unavoidable. These systems of control are powerful as much because we end up carrying them out on and through ourselves, our bodies and minds become part of the process.
Surely that's obvious?
There's a beautiful miracle in the sunshine of a deep sense of our humanity peaking through the cracks. That never completely dies at any one time. It hurts to be mistreated, the pain is internal comparison with that sense of ones humanity being threatened.
Without that deep sense, what would there be in us to generate that hurt?
So, you must dismantle your own learned prejudice and hatred of yourself, with the same mind that contains it. That can be like dancing on the head of a pin.
The impossibility of it means it happens in stages. In waves of consciousness. You have to leave where you are now, to progress, or even know there's any progression to make.
At some point, people stopped knowing this. The moment they declare themselves, an activist, they imagine they're more or less over all that and are the experts in teaching others to divest themselves of fat hate and "thin privilege" as imagine they have.
They haven't, certainly I haven't, and I find myself champing at the unseen contempt with which fat activists see themselves as a fat people and others. To the extent that it alienates. You actually have to be quite fat phobic and slim privileging to get along with fat activists.
I know credibility resides within people, so to be fair do slimz, it's only fat activists who insist it layselsewhere in slimz, the real people. Fat acceptance is "insular" yet it can barely maintain a workable relationship with any Black fat activist.
Well, before you get to race, they're fat. Real Black people are slim. Only slim people are real, fat people are somehow not. Despite the fact that in this state, we've already changed the discourse on weight. We're forced to as we are still excluded from the heart of it.
All this despite repeatedly claiming said prejudice is deeply ingrained. The use of the word society needs to be checked, too often it functions as disembodied from us all.
We are all society.
It's obvious that no-one would anyone avoid being formed by such an overwhelmingly unquestioned frame of which there is no alternative. Fat phobia isn't an opinion, it's the opinion. Many genuinely intelligent and humane people simply don't get anything else. Like dog whistle, they can hear nothing else. And they assume something must be right about fat phobia. They truly believe that, despite having absolutely no trouble whatsoever believing there's not one thing right about fat people.
Too many fat activists presume something must be right about whatever slim people invest in too. They certainly don't believe that about fat people though.
HAES is just the absence of obesity [construct] related self harm.
It's like having been persuaded to bang your head against a wall, for your moral health. Then discovering; NBYHAES-not banging your head at every size means whatever your problem, you do no harm. Because that was and still is not the rule applied to fat people.
When I've raised this, people thought I was insulting them.
Rather like a recent conversation where Virgie Tovar was accused of believing what she was noting and analyzing.
It's a loss of ability to tell the difference between a message being relayed and being given as a personal opinion. Why now, in such divergent views? As ever I suspect its commerce and the way branding gives people a sense that they've mastered whole narratives instantly through a brand name, blurb and a few slogans.
I daresay someone's investigating how much this has influenced our current intellectual rationale.
The feeling that I am personally insulting by making this observation confirms my points about fat phobia and the automatic privileging of slimz. It's de rigueur to excuse the brainwashing of everyone else into fat phobia. That its not any kind of choice, like you choose a religion. Even if you're born into it, at some point people become responsible for their faith.
Yet the moment I point out, that we've all learned the same and not as lacking in fat phobia as we might assume.....that the real difference is wishing to depart the fat phobic narrative, not the absence of it, this becomes a direct accusation of you deliberately and cynically deciding to be a fat phobe.
It takes a fat person to be assumed to be what others are, for the truth to be clearly perceived by fat activists. It used to be in vino veritas, now it's, in fat-the truth.
Yes, repression is this kind of humiliation. Its far more about feelings of being duped into colluding in your own undoing, of feeling owned, than it is a social powerplay or identity.
I guess the former is not how it can seem from the outside though, so its a bit angry-making for the unwary.
Whatever slim people do or are sets the standard by which everything must be judged. There's no such thing as a slim people's mindless, stupid, hysteria and wickedness for the pleasure of it, naw, its, excuses, excuses.
Let's call it learned fat phobia if that helps spare feelings.
It's like the misogyny of women. Which is there in feminism too, having been brutally exposed by race, class as well as fatness.
I honestly didn't know this self-knowledge could be in any way insulting.
In the past, activists for real civil rights grasped that having grown up in a racist/sexist etc., society nay world they two would be replete with internalized racism/sexism etc., It's virtually unavoidable. These systems of control are powerful as much because we end up carrying them out on and through ourselves, our bodies and minds become part of the process.
Surely that's obvious?
There's a beautiful miracle in the sunshine of a deep sense of our humanity peaking through the cracks. That never completely dies at any one time. It hurts to be mistreated, the pain is internal comparison with that sense of ones humanity being threatened.
Without that deep sense, what would there be in us to generate that hurt?
So, you must dismantle your own learned prejudice and hatred of yourself, with the same mind that contains it. That can be like dancing on the head of a pin.
The impossibility of it means it happens in stages. In waves of consciousness. You have to leave where you are now, to progress, or even know there's any progression to make.
At some point, people stopped knowing this. The moment they declare themselves, an activist, they imagine they're more or less over all that and are the experts in teaching others to divest themselves of fat hate and "thin privilege" as imagine they have.
They haven't, certainly I haven't, and I find myself champing at the unseen contempt with which fat activists see themselves as a fat people and others. To the extent that it alienates. You actually have to be quite fat phobic and slim privileging to get along with fat activists.
I know credibility resides within people, so to be fair do slimz, it's only fat activists who insist it lays
Well, before you get to race, they're fat. Real Black people are slim. Only slim people are real, fat people are somehow not. Despite the fact that in this state, we've already changed the discourse on weight. We're forced to as we are still excluded from the heart of it.
All this despite repeatedly claiming said prejudice is deeply ingrained. The use of the word society needs to be checked, too often it functions as disembodied from us all.
We are all society.
It's obvious that no-one would anyone avoid being formed by such an overwhelmingly unquestioned frame of which there is no alternative. Fat phobia isn't an opinion, it's the opinion. Many genuinely intelligent and humane people simply don't get anything else. Like dog whistle, they can hear nothing else. And they assume something must be right about fat phobia. They truly believe that, despite having absolutely no trouble whatsoever believing there's not one thing right about fat people.
Too many fat activists presume something must be right about whatever slim people invest in too. They certainly don't believe that about fat people though.
HAES is just the absence of obesity [construct] related self harm.
It's like having been persuaded to bang your head against a wall, for your moral health. Then discovering; NBYHAES-not banging your head at every size means whatever your problem, you do no harm. Because that was and still is not the rule applied to fat people.
When I've raised this, people thought I was insulting them.
Rather like a recent conversation where Virgie Tovar was accused of believing what she was noting and analyzing.
It's a loss of ability to tell the difference between a message being relayed and being given as a personal opinion. Why now, in such divergent views? As ever I suspect its commerce and the way branding gives people a sense that they've mastered whole narratives instantly through a brand name, blurb and a few slogans.
I daresay someone's investigating how much this has influenced our current intellectual rationale.
The feeling that I am personally insulting by making this observation confirms my points about fat phobia and the automatic privileging of slimz. It's de rigueur to excuse the brainwashing of everyone else into fat phobia. That its not any kind of choice, like you choose a religion. Even if you're born into it, at some point people become responsible for their faith.
Yet the moment I point out, that we've all learned the same and not as lacking in fat phobia as we might assume.....that the real difference is wishing to depart the fat phobic narrative, not the absence of it, this becomes a direct accusation of you deliberately and cynically deciding to be a fat phobe.
It takes a fat person to be assumed to be what others are, for the truth to be clearly perceived by fat activists. It used to be in vino veritas, now it's, in fat-the truth.
Yes, repression is this kind of humiliation. Its far more about feelings of being duped into colluding in your own undoing, of feeling owned, than it is a social powerplay or identity.
I guess the former is not how it can seem from the outside though, so its a bit angry-making for the unwary.
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